Berjocht oerlis:Commons
Nij mêdWinter,
- Ideally, once we use a font-relative size, all ought be font-relative: After setting the font size to 90%, the other sizes ought to be font based, like 'em', rather than absolute, as 'px'.
- Don't try to control too much; it makes the bad cases worse. Eg. don't force the name to a new line, as it will create two short lines if the top text doesn't fit on a line.
- Hi, Aliter. It's a wiki! Be bold! Please, go ahead and edit it as you see fit! Same for all other templates! That's far more efficient than trying to make me understand what you mean. (Which, I confess, I don't really.) Not to mention waiting for me to notice discussion pages. Snakesteuben 17 mai 2008, 11.39 (UTC)
- In a noinclude, you can usually forego the html remark tags. We're only going to see it here anyway.
- If I wanted text to appear on a page, of course I know one can dispense with comment tags. I think maybe it's kinda clear I know that, since I have done it dozens of other places. ;-) On the other hand, if I don't want text to appear on a template page I cannot dispense with html remark tags.
- For better or worse, the remark tag was a note to myself, to remind myself to wonder if I saw a need for such a thing as I used it for a couple days, since the template was brand new. (And, as it turns out, I don't.) It was not intended as a public query, again, for better or worse. Though it might have become one later after I made up my own mind.
- But from now on, I'll keep reminders on a page in my userspace. Now that you've alerted me to the issue, the clutter is obviously confusing, not to mention inconsiderate. Snakesteuben 17 mai 2008, 11.39 (UTC)
- Do we need a right float? Well, what will be our reason to float position it? Is this sufficiently rare that it would make more sense to have a floatframe template for such cases?
- No, as I said above, I didn't think we need a right float after thinking about it, and so I wasn't planning to ask. ;-) I think you know this, but the reason would have been left side clutter. If anything, we suffer from right-side clutter. So I did decide to create a left side version of one right float, and will probably make more.
- The floatframe is a great idea. Of course, you didn't have to tell me you were going to make one. Just do it. (If you haven't already.) Snakesteuben 17 mai 2008, 11.39 (UTC)
We all start out doing it this way, I know, but we can learn.
- I always want to learn. Teach me. Edit the template. And any other template. Please. I'll be looking forward to seeing everything you do. (Seriously. Rereading this, in the cold world of pure text, it sounds as though it might come across sarcastic. But it's not meant that way.) Kindest regards, Winter (Username:Snakesteuben 17 mai 2008, 11.39 (UTC))
- It moaiste is, at nei ien lettertype-ôfhinklike grutte alle oare gruttes dat ek binne: nei't wy de lettertypegrutte op 90% set hawwe, soenen de oare gruttes op it lettertype basearre wêze moatte, lykas 'em', yn stee fan absolút, lykas 'px'.
- Besykje net te folle te behearskjen; dêr wurde de minne gefallen minder fan. Bygelyks, twingje de namme net nei in nije rigel, om't wy oars twa koarte rigels krije at de boppenste tekst net op ien rigel past.
- Yn in noinclude, kin men almeast de html-opmerkingsmarken wol weilitte. Wy sjogge de tekst dochs al allinnich hjir.
- Hawwe wy ferlet fan in float nei rjochts? Tsja, wat is hoe ek ús doel mei it brûken fan float? Is dit seldsum genôch dat wy dêr better in apart float-berjocht foar brûke koenen?
Yn't earst dogge wy it allegear krekt sa, dat wit ik, mar wy kinne leare. Aliter 14 mai 2008, 19.30 (UTC)
- Right, but I prefer it if you understand why I change your template. Anyway: I changed it; now change your browser font to double the size and see what happens.
- The point about the float is that if there's no need at all, then it could be removed everywhere, and we'd only force it where it is necessary.
Aliter 17 mai 2008, 22.36 (UTC)
Thanks, Aliter, here and elsewhere. Gold star for you.
- "Right, but I prefer it if you understand why I change your template."
Yeppers, a nice courtesy. Very good Wikigefühl. But I suggest changing it and dropping the note afterward. That way, (1) benefit to the community: the darn thing gets improved, and a need filled, in a timely fashion. And then, benefit for the person(s) who developed or updated the template before you: (2) changes to that template are more likely to be seen than creation of a new talk page, and (3) the explanation is easier to understand (probably, usually, quicker to write, too) when one can compare the actual changes while reading the explanation. :-)
And just to clarify, I think anybody who really thinks of any wiki template as "hir" template takes things far too seriously. (The phrase is a useful shorthand, though, and I've used it myself, too.) Another reason my note to self was not a good idea. But I just flat didn't expect anyone to look at the code before it had been yanked! ;-) Everything on a wiki is forever, IMHO, nothing more than a draft submitted for use and modification in whatever manner the entire community sees fit.
Furthermore, unlike some folks here, as a model (and a non-practising licensed scum-sucking lawyer), I personally am just about the farthest thing from a programmer there could be! Basically, I just lift anything that looks like fun from the English, Dutch and German sites. My bots all started out with canned code (as you know) and the fancier bots I'm working on are all from Robert Ullmann (who is a programmer). You wanna help me out with python code, too? That would be kewl. I first looked at python about the same time I first looked at Frysk. ;-)
- "[the float] could be removed everywhere, and we'd only force it where it is necessary."
Again, yeppers. Have you written that yet? When you're ready, if you'd like a second pair of eyes testing the legacy, I'm available of course. Otherwise, just be bold. One can see where an old float-right template is used by clicking "Wat is hier keppele" in the left navigation pane. There probably are only a very few. *shrug*
Winter (the wordy) (Username:Snakesteuben 18 mai 2008, 11.59 (UTC))
- Yeah, erring on the side of caution. Too many template-editing wars for my taste on some of the larger projects. My bot was in Perl, and it was a harvester, so it would be of little use to you. But if there's a specific problem, feel free to ask. I'll check whether we have a template for alignment, and if not I'll write it, but it's nothing difficult. Aliter 18 mai 2008, 20.22 (UTC)